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If this is what it is, then I wouldn't exactly call it a death blow for Kerry. That's nothing more than one more lie that he'll do his best to explain, and the people will believe him.

I was hoping the big news story would be his accepting money from the KLA, but alas, I suppose that is not it.

Rope to hang oneself with.

Not us.

All chubby and cuddly and utterly deranged.

And, as Josh implies, wrong! Bonus!

I can't wait to read the story, I'm hoping it continues to add to the overwhelming lies Kerry has already told.  If you give someone enough rope...

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say the folks here made it out to be apocalyptic, but certainly the buzz over the past two days has made it seem that way.

I'm not going over to Kos to see what he thinks it is because the last time I went there I had to take a long hot shower before I could feel clean...

I don't know that it is.  Consider the hue and cry we conservatives would raise if the author of some late-breaking story that reflected poorly on Bush were to blog about it at Kos.  This doesn't exactly give an impression of objectivity, or anything near it.

At the same time, I think that a journalist blogging about an important story is one of the best ideas in the history of journalism.  But shouldn't Mowbray do it at the WaTimes site, or at a site of his own, rather than at a site whose goal is getting Republicans elected?

I just saw the article.

While it starts with the UN meeting as the basis for the article... the real message is Kerry is not truthful on just about every front. This from a man that proclaims that truthfulness is what would be the hallmark of his presidency and he is constantly stating that President Bush is not being truthful.

The real message of this article is the absolute crass hypocrisy of John Kerry. For me, this is not new news... but, I'm not sure about others.

If Kos is right, then I called it yesterday night; what do I win?

Just to reiterate (in this scenario), the key is not just that Kerry lied to the voters; he lied about discussions with other countries.  That means, in the eyes of those countries, who he is supposedly going to convince to send tens or hundreds of thousands of troops to Iraq, he is exposed as a fraud and a liar.

I think this point should be emphasized.

Sadly, Kerry will probably be able to lie his way out of it. It's not like any other outlet will be bothered to pick up on it. But anything that keeps him on the defensive, even for a minute, is helpful.

WashTimes has no blog, nor does Mr Mowbray, so this is the only outlet immediately available to him in this format.

That being said, you're right -- these are issues we have to think about as this medium evolves.  Trial and error throughout.

Let's see the ways he can wiggle out of this one - first he meant to say "permanent" members of the security council (ie the big five), then he didn't mean that he met them all at the same time - one on ones in corridors occured.  

Unfortunately, this looks like something the Kerry campaign can completely ignore UNLESS some of the other bigger media outlets cover it too (is anyone at the Wall Street Journal listening? Don't bother with the left MSM, they won't touch this with a ten foot poll).

Joel - you missed out on a few other areas where Kerry out and out lied.  Check out Kerry Spot on National Review and click on the SUVs on the right column for an out and out lie.  Although it isn't relevant to this issue, it does show a pattern (not to mention various swift boat related lies).

This story isn't going to do anything.  Everyone that's voting for Bush knows Kerry is a liar.  All you have to do is listen to the guy.  The MSN isn't going to report this or make a big deal in the slightest, and will spin in Kerry's direction.  You're gonna have to come up with something that's practically a 10 megaton nuke going off on Kerry's head for the MSM to even make a slight mention of it.

Well, even a fleeting glance at Mowbray's past writings (see the archive at townhall.com) would show that he has not tried to maintain a pretense of objectivity, so I wouldn't worry about his being tainted by an association with a partisan blog.  If the reporter/columnist distinction has any meaning, it's clear he's on the columnist side.  

I am a conservative, however, I think that we are being a bit disingenous here. Bush has told several lies in recent week, many of which I would argue are much more salient. How do we explain "I never said I wasn't concerned about Osama Bin Laden".

We are really grasping here guys....

FYI - I believe I was the original source for this story having first reported on FR in August and the Drudge Report Radio program the weekend following the UNITY Conference during which speech Kerry repeated the LIE and locked in the time frame for his meeting as the week before the Senate Debate.  See original legacy posts VIDEO: John Kerry claims "I met with the Security Council of the United Nations" and VIDEO: John Kerry claims "I met with the Security Council of the United Nations"

What was the original Bush Osama quote that he supposedly contradicted himself on?

explain "I never said I wasn't concerned about Osama Bin Laden

Because Bush didn't say that - he said he never said he wasn't WORRIED about UBL and that Kerry was taking him out of context because - as Commander in Chief - Bush had an obligation to let UBL and other terrorists know (if he was still alive) that we're on the hunt and we're not letting them affect our livelihood.  duh.

Was that post above serious? The man got caught in a lie. Another one.

Facts haven't mattered to Kerry's followers and this debacle won't move their opinion. In contrast, John Kerry's lifetime pattern of lying became apparent this year to objective observers considering each disturbing revelation on his military and political careers.  

Long ago we ceased our surprise at the mounting evidence of Kerry's bad character, and most significantly, at Kerry's pompous belief that his reputation could remain invincible despite his actual conduct. Irregardless, of Kerry's misplaced political haughtiness, the Left has not blushed over Kerry's lavish display of unlimited narcissism, but instead encouraged his behavior and echoed his conceit.

For the political sleepwalkers who managed to remain truly undecided during this controversial election, news of another Kerry fabrication might sway some votes. Yet, the intensity of this campaign makes one look askance at any "undecided" voters who needed more proof of Kerry's fatally flawed ethics at this late hour.  

Here in a litte while we are going to test your memory of your own statements from months ago. You have to get it verbatim too. Care to predict how well you will do?

Next quiz. We will test your memory of places you have been. You will tell us of somewhere you have been or someone you have met and we will match it against reality. I am predicting you will do well on this one unless you plan on lying.

I personally think the KLA story is going to hurt him worse.  I sent it to Hannity and others at Fox, and mailed it to Drudge, hoping someone would focus on it.  Now Farah has it covered on Worldnet.  Let Kerry spend a week defending his ties to terrorism.  

I still think anything coming out on Monday will be a rope-a-dope, moderately damaging, red herring of an October Surprise, and the real goods will come out later in the week.

Not saying this is the case here, but sometimes the surprise takes time to develop, and releasing it too late limits the damage.

Mowbray.

Pubbed by REGNERY.

Hah.

Need we say more?

Association fallacy?

REGNERY publishes anything Republican, any lie your party spreads like urine into the air.

I didn't even have to take a guess when I looked up Mowbray on Amazon. It was a sad laugh to know I was going to be right. Regnery again.

Your swifty pal, Evil-Eyed John O'Neill and Psycho, Anti-Semetic Corsi know all about Regnery.

As do reporters from that bastion of Mooney-ism, The Washington Times. That's not a newspaper. It's toilet paper.

It's entertaining.

As Jon Stewart says: I don't have to be funny. I'm not your monkey.

I'm glad you are laughing. Just like Bush giggling pretending to look for WMDs. I'm sure all of the 9/11 bereavers and military families are laughing too. Laughing because it hurts too much to cry anymore.

Perhaps you're not our monkey.

But you're obviously someone's trained monkey.

So, off with you, now.

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>Facts haven't mattered to Kerry's followers and this debacle won't move their opinion. In contrast, John Kerry's lifetime pattern of lying became apparent this year to objective observers considering each disturbing revelation on his military and political careers.  

It's hard to know whether Kerry's disrespect for truth is a side effect of his politics, or if his choice of politics appealed to him because he was a patho liar, even in his youth, and a shifting, morally relativistic moral code greatly appealed to his innately mendacious nature.

Since his earliest political days, Kerry's mind  has been steeped in the moral relativism of the left, which bottom line is:

"Telling the truth is a petty-bourgeois prejudice. Deception, on the other hand, is often justified by the goal." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

One of the hidden but fundamental conflicts in this election is a metaphysical battle between those who value truth as absolute and those who believe that there is no  such thing as absolute truth.

As history demonstrates, the shifting sands of Marxist moral relativism lead to totalitarian mayhem and enslavement. "As to the deceptive campaign promises of the Bolsheviks that helped them gain power in November, 1917, Lenin admitted in 1919 that his utopian slogans were not examples of "true consciousness"...any workers who now insisted on their fulfillment were "deceivers of the people . . . " A.Weeks, The Christian Science Monitor. Moral relativism means you can execute even your supporters when the time is right.

In other words, if Kerry gets his slimy hands on power, he will sorely disappoint large numbers of the "useful idiot" category of his followers, those who think his promises and his lies are true.  

Ironically, Kerry's biggest and most abhorrent lie, and the left's biggest lie in this election is that "Bush lied."

Bush is the Liar:

1. I never said I wasn't worried about OBL
   
   
2. SH was behing 9/11
   
   
3. I don't own a timber company
   
   
4. SH tried to buy Uranium in Africa
   
   
5. There are WMD in Iraq

Christ guys, no one cares about whether not Kerry met with all of the security council.

America seems to care about 340 TONS of explosives not being secured in Iraq. If a democrat was commander and chief and allowed this to happen, we would all be all over them.

If you guys are really wasting time on this non story, it is truely sad and it means Kerry will be the next president

Not a big story? Tell that to the next soldier in Iraw that gets his leg blown off by these explosives. I am sure when he is healing in the hospital he will really want to know about Kerry and the Security Council. Wake up and stop rationalizing.

I think OBL is more important then the security council. The fact of the matter is the GWB said he wasn't worried about OBL, this was a lie as GWB indicated at the debates.

Why should we be rationalizing for GWB when we accuse Kerry supporters for doing the same damn thing. This blind support is really getting us in trouble. STOP doing the same thing that we are accusing the democrats of doing. BUSH LIED, face it. He has done it often, FACE IT. Do not make execuses....

Kudos to Mr. Mowbray for this excellent story.  I'm sorry to hear of the supposed 'let down' and remarks, such as 'he lied.....so what?'

I am a carpenter in Oklahoma City, and certainly not in 'the loop' as politics goes.  I am grateful both for the truth stated in articles such as Mr. Mowbray's and blog sites such as this.  I cannot express that more clearly or sincerely.

So, my discouraged friends, wake up!  The truth is on your side and millions of you can be heard through blog sites such as this.

Just think...a couple of years ago, Rather would have gotten away with his bogus story.  

Keep up the great work!

This is very simple, and I'll state it so even "our side" and those who pretend to be on our side can understand it.

What is a lie? It is when you say something that is not true and at the time you also know it is not true.

Given that, unless you can honestly say that you have never forgotten saying something, anything, in your entire life, something that was said months and months before being questioned about it, then maybe I can see why you would be SOOOO certain it was a willful lie. For the rest of us that don't have photographic memories, we forget saying certain things all the time. Sometimes we even say, "I never said that" when maybe we did say something similar.

On the other hand, I never remember things that don't happen, and only delusional people do to be quite honest.

Hence, there is plausible doubt about the "Bush lie" you keep referring to. There is no plausible doubt about the Kerry lie.

Keep making excuses for GWB. It's amazing, for GWB you make all the excuses in the world. For Kerry, the same excuses don't apply.

What's next? Saying that GWB has the mental capacity of a chimpanzee and thus when he directly contradicts himself he does not know any better and we shouldn't fault him?

Take off the rose colored glasses.

You ever forget your exact words from months ago? If you say yes, can I ask your wife the same question?

Or do you ever remember meetings that didn't take place?

So, I suppose that we both agree that Dick Cheney is a liar when he said to Edwards "the first time we met was tonight [at the debate]"

How do you chose to rationalize that one? Clearly he should have remembered meeting Edwards in person when he swore in Senator Dole, or when he thanked him and set next to him on the dias at a prayer breakfast?

Should we excuse Bush's lies because of his reduced mental capacity. The fact is he lied many times to the American public:

1. the aluminum tubes which anyone who knows about nuclear enrichment knows that these tubes could not be used for such purposes. This is not "irrefutable proof".
   
2. George Bush said "I never said I was not worried about". He did not say, I don't believe I ever said that, he said "I NEVER SAID THAT".

If you want to make excuses for Bush, then you have to except excuses for Kerry.

Try again.